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43797 No.184565   [Reply]

The revolution is coming comrades!

http://anonym.to/?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ScFU0UxKWA&feature=related

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>> No.185951  

>>185846

You know what the kids say these days "DIY or DIE"

>> No.186215  

>>185468
meh. a lot of influential communists believed that communism is a stepping stone to an anarchist society. they're very similar ideologies to a lot of people.
not trying to defend communism or anything, but it's okay to acknowledge each other and work together sometimes.

>> No.186436  
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>>185713
Oh look, /an/ has an apologist for a mass murderer.



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30905 No.167508   [Reply]

maybe if congress got high or sumthin they might actually do sumthing almost constructive

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>> No.184309  

Communism is a fucking joke. You can't equalize wealth without a centralized control structure (aka an oppressive government). You can't FORCE people to share. STFU and GTFO.

>> No.185716  
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>>184309
Ah, but forcing people IS the first stage, to destroy bourgeoisie opposition... the dictatorship of the proletariat over the bourgeoisie.

The first stage is well known to have oppressive measures... and is admitted by Marx, Engels, Lenin... for the purpose of crushing the opposition. There was a quote by Engel's about how the transition to the stage of Communinism, statelessness, is not the perfect solution but it is a solution.

Say there was a revolution tomorrow and the U.S. government was overthrown.

Do you really think all the elements of the old system, the right wing fanatics and the profiteers, would give up power that easy? Do you honestly think the system can just vanish in an instant and everyone will work harmoniously?

The federal government must by whittled with the standing army disbanded and a people's army in it's place and those elements who wish to usurp the revolution must be silenced by one means or another.

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>> No.186031  

It can not be the purpose of an ideology that strives for an egalitarian society to just make the oppressed and the oppressors switch places. That would change nothing, and would certainly not make things better overall.



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48241 No.169476   [Reply]

I was wondering, how would workers councils, Council Communism, Soviets, Syndicalism and or Co-operative Commonwealths end wage slavery?

I know this is simplistic but wont I still have to get out of bed every morning or leave my family once a day and use my labor to produce enough to recieve enough for the needs of myself and my family?

Aren't we all just fooling ourselves into thinking that if we get rid of the boss we'd be better off? Instead of actually getting rid of the factory itself?

Now, I'm not a primitivist. I like the good things about technology (music, internet, video games etc.)and want advancements in health care technology. But it seems to me like reorganizing work to alleviate wage slavery when work is the sole cause of wage slavery is like doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

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>> No.184589  

What ever to pride in accomplishing the work, or that YOU know that you did a job well done?

Also, Is Employe of the month a valid means for motivation, Or is it a pure popularity contest? I feel its a validation that one would exceed the standards and rise as an exceptional worker above others and be a model for others to strive for. I understand it as recognition by your uppers that they appreciate your strive to continue to bring satisfaction to the clientele.

>> No.184826  

Sure, employee of the month is a recognition by your masters that you are serving them well, however, only one can get that acclaim for any given month, even if many exceeded the standards and are worthy of recognition during that time period. It generates competition where cooperation would better server the customer. But it is not the clientele that gets to pick the award winner. Who does it serve really?

>> No.185749  

>>184313
Agreed.



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31837 No.185616   [Reply]

So, who here has read "The Coming Insurrection" and/or "The Call" ?

What are your thoughts, judgements, opinons?
I'm intrested in hearing reponses from all across the anarchist spectrum an-caps to primmies to old-school syndicalists.

*http://anonym.to/?http://a.aaaarg.org/text/3276/coming-insurrection
*http://anonym.to/?http://a.aaaarg.org/text/3275/call

>> No.185626  

It's a pretty good book. More interesting, however, is this, from Edinburgh:
http://anonym.to/?http://www.indymediascotland.org/node/17539

and

http://anonym.to/?http://www.indymediascotland.org/node/17574

basically, someone got nicked for reading this book. In a bookshop.

>> No.185640  

Is this really a sample from the book?

>What's needed is not representation, and even far less humanism, but a putting-into-practice of immanent crisis, a rejection in all forms of the temporality of normalization. This is a call to indifference, not an insistence on passivity.

If I understand this correctly, the authors are against humanism, and for immanetizing crisis. Both alarms me, because it has been said that crisis is an opportunity to pass unpopular legislation. "A call to indifference", indifferent to the ongoing undermining of our humanity, "not [...] passivity", justified by our own actions, our own supposed creating of a crisis, to help those who would take advantage of us?

I don't think I can stand behind this.



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932805 No.183648   [Reply]

We seriously need to find a way to deflate the big coffers of the rich , you know the forbes list
people who "employ" thousands,
Is it possible for monetary inflation to be non uniform? make sure certain people pay much more for certain services?

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>> No.184532  

>>184531
The US FED has been emitting money like toilet paper since the Viet Nam police action.

Interestingly this has not lead to money becoming superfluous to the economy.

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>>184532
I'm sorry, what did you say?

>> No.185391  

I said: Despite inflation, money is still indispensable from the global economy.



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202645 No.185132   [Reply]

A vary smart man wrote an oratorical about anarchism just to be different. If you take up things just to shock people, you're and idiot I hope people here are anarchist because you respect god politics. And anarchise bad ones am I right or are you all posers?



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38658 No.144855   [Reply]

Has anyone read Lenin's "The State And Revolution"?
What do you think of it's criticisms of Anarchist theory found in chapter 4?

( http://anonym.to/?http://www.marx.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch04.htm#s2 for those of you who do not have a large collection of Lenin's works like myself)

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>> No.173074  

>>145037
"We have said that there could not have been Social-Democratic consciousness among the workers. It would have to be brought to them from without. The history of all countries shows that the working class, exclusively by its own effort, is able to develop only trade union consciousness, i.e., the conviction that it is necessary to combine in unions, fight the employers, and strive to compel the government to pass necessary labour legislation, etc."

  • "What is to be done?", Chapter B. 1902.

Congratulations, you take a quote of context from a chapter detailing that you must get the view out there of an alternative system (a propagandists words and an agitators voice).

It's like citing Chomsky as a "bad person" because you said non-violent resistance to Nazis is bad when the quote is "you can't have non-violent resistance against the Nazis in a concentration camp, to take an extreme case..."

"We must take up actively the political education of the working class and the development of its political consciousness."

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>> No.173367  

>>173074
Isn't bolshevism just another kind of paternalism?

>> No.182994  

i have not read "the state and revolution" but after following your ling i think that lenin did not understand that most anarchists believe in mutual aid to a greater extent than most people.



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25332 No.176888   [Reply]

So, what are /an/'s thoughts on Wombling up at demos? Good or bad.

GOOD: Protects you from police attacks and can be used as a "shock force" to break police lines.

BAD: Can make the demo as a whole look more threatening as confrontational, allowing the police to use more force without loosing PR.

Personally, I think wearing a helmet and arm guards/leg guards under my trousers is as far as I would go. Shields seem a bit much.

>> No.177014  

I'm generally into non-violence, but there is such a thing as self defence, which I'd say wombling and other similar tactics come under.

Be creative, make a shield that is also a sign or something. Also remember to do it all in way where you retain mobility.

Also remember that that cops are as much vicitims as anyone, they simply lack class consciousness.

tl;dr remain mobile and don't get emotionally involved to have maximum impact.

>> No.177017  

eh i don't mind it i made the mistake of not doing it for the g20 and got my ribs bashed in and that was a pussy of a riot

>> No.182881  

last time i saw a proper white block was at the Swedish squatters festival



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49987 No.178031   [Reply]

Playing Fight Club at 11:30 CST

livestream.com/vurtz

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>> No.178969  

>>178093

I know I do.

>> No.179447  

>>178931
Are you still here?

You do realize Fight Club is just a movie and Tyler Durden just a fictional character, right?

>> No.182605  

>>179447

Humanity is fictional. We are constantly modifying our personalities to fit the situations that we're in. And schizo's involved, that makes that a rather interesting psyche to fall into, rather like a mask.



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2004 No.121637   [Reply]

ITT Anarcha-feminism
http://anonym.to/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcha-feminism

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>> No.181356  

>>168988
>>181264

This anon wholeheartedly agrees

>> No.181823  

I think that marxist-feminists make feminists look bad.

To marxist-feminists, male supporters are a threat, because "class enemies". A class war between genders doesn't make sense, because gender differences cannot be transcended. It is not the men who oppress the women (well some do, but not in general), but the economic power structures. Those need to be transcended, and women's voices are very important in this process. Women are important. Marxist-feminists however are fighting males instead of working with them towards what should be a common goal.

>> No.181859  

>>181823

Agree



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