There needs to be a solid foundation on which for the nation to be built. There also needs to be action (as well as interaction) for this to work.Our current priorities follow in order of importance.Self sustaining income, cash, liquid assets.Land, any easily accessible, central location for meeting, planning and staging from.Facilities, anything to keep the heat or cool in and the elements out, power, water, and food.It has been started on many *chans and other places multiple times, yet there has been literally no progress at all concerning this effort. We can see it failing as lack of cohesive, consistent information resources and discussion.This is meant to be a resource and discussion for those who wish to pursue the dream of an independent state somewhere in the world.There is a forum for discussion at http://anonym.to/?http://vanguardcommission.org/VC_Forum/. More forums are available once you register. Please read over some of the discussions their, and feel free to contribute.Current projects can be found at the insurgen wiki, http://anonym.to/?http://insurgen.info/wiki/Project_Sovere/i/gnIn the meantime, the real meat and gravy of our ideals so far can be found on our own wiki, at http://anonym.to/?http://vanguardcommission.org/knowledge_base/index.php?title=Main_Page Once again, feel free to add and contribute to anything there. tl;dr. lick ling to view the boring shit.
There needs to be a solid foundation on which for the nation to be built. There also needs to be action (as well as interaction) for this to work.
Our current priorities follow in order of importance.Self sustaining income, cash, liquid assets.Land, any easily accessible, central location for meeting, planning and staging from.Facilities, anything to keep the heat or cool in and the elements out, power, water, and food.It has been started on many *chans and other places multiple times, yet there has been literally no progress at all concerning this effort. We can see it failing as lack of cohesive, consistent information resources and discussion.
This is meant to be a resource and discussion for those who wish to pursue the dream of an independent state somewhere in the world.
There is a forum for discussion at http://anonym.to/?http://vanguardcommission.org/VC_Forum/. More forums are available once you register. Please read over some of the discussions their, and feel free to contribute.
Current projects can be found at the insurgen wiki, http://anonym.to/?http://insurgen.info/wiki/Project_Sovere/i/gn
In the meantime, the real meat and gravy of our ideals so far can be found on our own wiki, at http://anonym.to/?http://vanguardcommission.org/knowledge_base/index.php?title=Main_Page Once again, feel free to add and contribute to anything there.
Anon, Project Sovereign is without a doubt the most groundbreaking and ambitious undertaking ever conceived by Anonymous. Yet, every project idea ends in fail for the same reason - money.To be independent in this world, one must find a way to either provide for oneself or create a stable economy from which one may receive necessities from the world at large.Let's put our brainpower to work. How does one create a fully self-sufficient entity? In the alternative, how does one create a stable long-term means of generating revenue for purchasing needed supplies from the outside world? What marketable skills and/or goods can the collective anons offer? Please note that illegal means are not sufficient in the long term, unless one has a system to avoid detection. Please also note that tourism is a chaotic industry that does not provide a stable economic foundation.Answer this question and Project Sovereign goes from the theoretical to the practical.
Anon, Project Sovereign is without a doubt the most groundbreaking and ambitious undertaking ever conceived by Anonymous. Yet, every project idea ends in fail for the same reason - money.
To be independent in this world, one must find a way to either provide for oneself or create a stable economy from which one may receive necessities from the world at large.
Let's put our brainpower to work. How does one create a fully self-sufficient entity? In the alternative, how does one create a stable long-term means of generating revenue for purchasing needed supplies from the outside world? What marketable skills and/or goods can the collective anons offer?
Please note that illegal means are not sufficient in the long term, unless one has a system to avoid detection. Please also note that tourism is a chaotic industry that does not provide a stable economic foundation.
Answer this question and Project Sovereign goes from the theoretical to the practical.
Retarded as /b/ may seem, there are some smart cookies on it.We may be able to form a team of engineers from /b/, though they may end up constructing a rocket that explodes leaving a DESU shaped crater.
Retarded as /b/ may seem, there are some smart cookies on it.
We may be able to form a team of engineers from /b/, though they may end up constructing a rocket that explodes leaving a DESU shaped crater.
a mass server farm would be a good idea is it would allow anon to stay anonymous
I think the best way to get money is to offer what anon knows best: "mass knowledge of the internet"It'll be underground, we'll find and stalk people, obtain information of anyone, blackmailing, porn to those dumb enough to find them themselves, obtain information of anything and sell it to anyone willing to pay for it. The only inconvenient is teach those anon who are not adepts in the ways of the internets.
I think the best way to get money is to offer what anon knows best: "mass knowledge of the internet"
It'll be underground, we'll find and stalk people, obtain information of anyone, blackmailing, porn to those dumb enough to find them themselves, obtain information of anything and sell it to anyone willing to pay for it.
The only inconvenient is teach those anon who are not adepts in the ways of the internets.
hey /sov/ I've though of a great idea to start a NPO and get tax exemption.Lets start our own religion.I think we should base our religion on chaos and lulz, also Raptor Jesus should also be our savior and longcat would our god
>>192924 response about >>192688Yeah, because a person willing to kill himself or others just because a voice tells him so is someone rationable enough to do logical though.Psychiatry is not a religion, it does not hurt people, it helps them; makes them realize and accept reality, helps people to overcome their issues so they can live a healthy life. In any moment, the psychiatrist removes the will of a person capable of rational and critical thinking. Psychiatry helps people. post scritum: i feel like i'm talking to a scientologistfag
>>192924 response about >>192688
Yeah, because a person willing to kill himself or others just because a voice tells him so is someone rationable enough to do logical though.
Psychiatry is not a religion, it does not hurt people, it helps them; makes them realize and accept reality, helps people to overcome their issues so they can live a healthy life. In any moment, the psychiatrist removes the will of a person capable of rational and critical thinking. Psychiatry helps people.
post scritum: i feel like i'm talking to a scientologistfag
IM CONFUS ABOUT THISstop talking about psychiatry, and scientology, and start talking about how we are gonna get this shit going
IM CONFUS ABOUT THIS
stop talking about psychiatry, and scientology, and start talking about how we are gonna get this shit going
If we start as a group of "kind-hearted people, willing to help others and change the world for better", and using as base all the ideas mentioned above, we could make a good start because:we will be likeable to anyone, so there'll be few to none objection when we get our religious benefits. the goverments like to others to solve the shit they don't want (drug addicts, alcoholics, hobos, every society drop out). So, if we show that we are doing this, they'll give approval faster.Non-anons will join, giving it more credibility.I know is hard be selfless, but is ftw.
If we start as a group of "kind-hearted people, willing to help others and change the world for better", and using as base all the ideas mentioned above, we could make a good start because:
I know is hard be selfless, but is ftw.
summary of ideas for locationGood/plausible ideas. borderline.missile silo -boatstownship bad/unfesable/you've got to be fucking kidding.-no more fucking islands, we cannot buy islands because A.) NOT FOR SALE B.) TOO EXPENSIVE C.)HOW THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET THEIR I DONT SEE MANY PLANE FLIGHTS TO UNINHABBITED ISLANDS DO YOU-we cannot make islands either-we cannot make atols-flying/underwater city $$$$$$$$$$-taking over countries. ever heard of the UNim sure their are many more bad ideas suggested by this board but i cant be bothered finding them
summary of ideas for locationGood/plausible ideas. borderline.
bad/unfesable/you've got to be fucking kidding.
-no more fucking islands, we cannot buy islands because A.) NOT FOR SALE B.) TOO EXPENSIVE C.)HOW THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET THEIR I DONT SEE MANY PLANE FLIGHTS TO UNINHABBITED ISLANDS DO YOU-we cannot make islands either-we cannot make atols-flying/underwater city $$$$$$$$$$-taking over countries. ever heard of the UNim sure their are many more bad ideas suggested by this board but i cant be bothered finding them
Is temperature the only factor for superconductivity?
Why not do as the Dutch did, and instead of taking over an island or something, why not find a shallow enough stretch of ocean and make our home on the seafloor?I suggest taking large cement pillars and lowering them into the ocean one by one to create the perimeter of our new state. Then, use molds and more cement to fill the remaining cracks and spaces between the pillars.All that is then left to do is to build a few windmills to turn the archimedes screws that push the water out. The windmills can later be converted to generate power ourselves and sell off to the mainland. We sell any treasures or artifacts that we find on the ocean floor and then begin growing various crops on the fertile new land. Taxes would only be largely needed to pay off construction costs and then to maintain and expand our borders. Do I win?
Why not do as the Dutch did, and instead of taking over an island or something, why not find a shallow enough stretch of ocean and make our home on the seafloor?
I suggest taking large cement pillars and lowering them into the ocean one by one to create the perimeter of our new state. Then, use molds and more cement to fill the remaining cracks and spaces between the pillars.
All that is then left to do is to build a few windmills to turn the archimedes screws that push the water out. The windmills can later be converted to generate power ourselves and sell off to the mainland. We sell any treasures or artifacts that we find on the ocean floor and then begin growing various crops on the fertile new land. Taxes would only be largely needed to pay off construction costs and then to maintain and expand our borders.
Do I win?
>>201794 No, been discussed at length. tl;dr - expensive as fuck and you'd have to find somewhere shallow enough & temperate enough outside of nations Exclusive Economic Zones, i.e nowhere in the white areas on this maphttp://anonym.to/?http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Exclusive_Economic_Zones_Nulles.pngIt's a no go.There are 4 plans that haven't been completely torn to bits, the two sensible workable ones-nonsov anonville somewhere, probably some ghosttown in usa...but possibly build your own somewhere.-boats/floating thing in international waters.And the two very iffy, highly unlikely, but theoretically possible ones.-Antarctic settlement-Negotiate with Egyptian govt for their military not to shoot you if ya start building in Bir Tawil. (the one area of reasonably habitable land not claimed by any govt.)
>>201794 No, been discussed at length. tl;dr - expensive as fuck and you'd have to find somewhere shallow enough & temperate enough outside of nations Exclusive Economic Zones, i.e nowhere in the white areas on this maphttp://anonym.to/?http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Exclusive_Economic_Zones_Nulles.png
It's a no go.
There are 4 plans that haven't been completely torn to bits, the two sensible workable ones-nonsov anonville somewhere, probably some ghosttown in usa...but possibly build your own somewhere.-boats/floating thing in international waters.
And the two very iffy, highly unlikely, but theoretically possible ones.
-Antarctic settlement-Negotiate with Egyptian govt for their military not to shoot you if ya start building in Bir Tawil. (the one area of reasonably habitable land not claimed by any govt.)
Let's consider other forms of government that have not been tried yet. I would love to see a project with the goal of creating an AI smart enough to rule but uncorruptable. A computerized government could be very fair and efficient. The AI would not take bribes or care about money or power, just it's main goal of fair government and doing what is best for society at large.Imagine if you could IM your senator or even the president at any hour. Imagine if anyone could. No man can talk to that many people at once. But a properly built AI could have millions of conversations simultaneously. Everyone could have the ear of the government and if it was making a decision the vast majority did not like, we could guide it in the right direction.Granted there are serious technical challenges to all of this, but then Rome was not built in a day. An open source project to create such a thing could be a very cool and perhaps profitable (in thes sense of everyone profiting) project.Sure it is a bit of a survellience society with the computer watching all the banking and through every camera on the street. But would you rather have the people in charge now watching or a computer who is built to be utterly fair? Should the power of a god rest in the hands of people with temptations of greed or lust or power or a machine designed to be fair and to listen and never be prejudiced? People have always has a dream of god, of someone who is keeping an eye out always. You can have your god, and you can build him with your own hands. Consider the possibilities and the pitfalls.
Let's consider other forms of government that have not been tried yet. I would love to see a project with the goal of creating an AI smart enough to rule but uncorruptable. A computerized government could be very fair and efficient. The AI would not take bribes or care about money or power, just it's main goal of fair government and doing what is best for society at large.
Imagine if you could IM your senator or even the president at any hour. Imagine if anyone could. No man can talk to that many people at once. But a properly built AI could have millions of conversations simultaneously. Everyone could have the ear of the government and if it was making a decision the vast majority did not like, we could guide it in the right direction.
Granted there are serious technical challenges to all of this, but then Rome was not built in a day. An open source project to create such a thing could be a very cool and perhaps profitable (in thes sense of everyone profiting) project.
Sure it is a bit of a survellience society with the computer watching all the banking and through every camera on the street. But would you rather have the people in charge now watching or a computer who is built to be utterly fair? Should the power of a god rest in the hands of people with temptations of greed or lust or power or a machine designed to be fair and to listen and never be prejudiced? People have always has a dream of god, of someone who is keeping an eye out always. You can have your god, and you can build him with your own hands. Consider the possibilities and the pitfalls.
>AI smart enough to rule but uncorruptable. A computerized government>AI smart enough to rule>AINO.NOT HAPPENING.NEVER, IN A MILLION YEARS, WILL I ALLOW THIS.IF IT IS DONE, I WILL SEE TO IT THAT IT IS UNDONE. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
>AI smart enough to rule but uncorruptable. A computerized government>AI smart enough to rule>AI
NO.NOT HAPPENING.NEVER, IN A MILLION YEARS, WILL I ALLOW THIS.IF IT IS DONE, I WILL SEE TO IT THAT IT IS UNDONE. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
I say we submit to the rule of the all knowing Netjester.
I'm thinking in a lottery democracy. It works like this. Any person who wants to participate in the political system will put his name in a system that randomly takes a person for the differents charges. And to avoid power centered on a single individual, we utilize a senate like goverment, where several people take the charge of president.
Adding credence to the floating sov idea, the worlds largest cruise ship is about to be officially launched.It cost ~£800million, and sleeps slightly under 9000.That's about £90,000 per person.....which is about 1/2 of the average house price in the UK for 2009.And that's 2009 after the housing bubble burst, and the oasis of the seas being an incredible luxury ship.I know there aren't thousands of us here interested in living in a cruise ship, but just thought I'd point it out as evidence of how very realistic the idea is.
Adding credence to the floating sov idea, the worlds largest cruise ship is about to be officially launched.
It cost ~£800million, and sleeps slightly under 9000.
That's about £90,000 per person.....which is about 1/2 of the average house price in the UK for 2009.
And that's 2009 after the housing bubble burst, and the oasis of the seas being an incredible luxury ship.
I know there aren't thousands of us here interested in living in a cruise ship, but just thought I'd point it out as evidence of how very realistic the idea is.
A giant cruise ship may be outside the means of anons, but a fleet might not be. If anons pooled their resources in small to medium sized teams, smaller vessels could be within reach, and they could operate as a flotilla.This would resolve some of the exonomic problems, as contigents of ships could be dispatched to obtain supplies in shifts and rendevous with the fleet later.The heart of the economic problem, however, is finding a skill or resource to export, as necessities would clearly have to be imported. If a sustainable source of revenue can be found, this model could work.
A giant cruise ship may be outside the means of anons, but a fleet might not be. If anons pooled their resources in small to medium sized teams, smaller vessels could be within reach, and they could operate as a flotilla.
This would resolve some of the exonomic problems, as contigents of ships could be dispatched to obtain supplies in shifts and rendevous with the fleet later.
The heart of the economic problem, however, is finding a skill or resource to export, as necessities would clearly have to be imported. If a sustainable source of revenue can be found, this model could work.
>>198337Ya, the money is an issue. There isn't too much except for shit like tourism and casinos. Or maybe running guns or drugs, but that could get us b& from many countries.
I think a floating country is by far our best option. We just start with one large-ish boat, then add on to it. We can move it, it breaks apart in case of an attack, tons of tourism if we want it, and think of the fishing industry we could cultivate!
http://anonym.to/?http://commercial.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=126659Hey, anyone wanna pitch in and start operation /sov/: water empire? With a crew of 20 anons, we would only need to each pitch in 300$ to get this FUCKING AMAZING DEAL!!Must be a typo or something....OH exploitable!
http://anonym.to/?http://commercial.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=126659
Hey, anyone wanna pitch in and start operation /sov/: water empire?
With a crew of 20 anons, we would only need to each pitch in 300$ to get this FUCKING AMAZING DEAL!!
Must be a typo or something....OH exploitable!
>>195589I don't think the sails would work that well in a ship that heavy
sea org n e one
Faggots, all of you. 6k is the daily charter price. Boats not for sail, LOL PUN.
As much as anon is unable to get money together... no matter where we settle how will we get women? other than every member of anon having a piece of caseyface surely we're screwed when it comes to repopulating any nation of anon for the next generation?
That's it, ignore all the nation-States native to the continent and what those natives endemic to the area assert towards aliens in estate.First of all, I already began in my own country with an Apostille sent to the State Secretary of the nearby competitor. Then with some ancestry, I have a manner of diplomacy to abase that competitor into a subservient position of accounting.Second of all, I am more interested in things that are useful that were auctioned off or dumped onto Mexico and China because US'ians like all of you are too ashamed and reluctant to work low-wage manufacturing jobs. Haven't a clue that the same job can be done at an honest respectable wage when done on your own accord without corporate structures? In this regard, you all fail because you'll never think beyond the T-Shirt ironing business to ignore the silk-worm business.Third of all, you are talking about women in a subservient mode of conduct in all terms of vanity and dishonor to know they are much more enduring. If you can't focus on the little things that you don't know keep currency moving within a country and incompatible with foreign countries, then remember that women will see past the charades of hideouts and disguised marketing scams. At least one of you is thinking about a School, but the others just want pleasure. tl;dr. lick ling to view the boring shit.
That's it, ignore all the nation-States native to the continent and what those natives endemic to the area assert towards aliens in estate.
First of all, I already began in my own country with an Apostille sent to the State Secretary of the nearby competitor. Then with some ancestry, I have a manner of diplomacy to abase that competitor into a subservient position of accounting.
Second of all, I am more interested in things that are useful that were auctioned off or dumped onto Mexico and China because US'ians like all of you are too ashamed and reluctant to work low-wage manufacturing jobs. Haven't a clue that the same job can be done at an honest respectable wage when done on your own accord without corporate structures? In this regard, you all fail because you'll never think beyond the T-Shirt ironing business to ignore the silk-worm business.
Third of all, you are talking about women in a subservient mode of conduct in all terms of vanity and dishonor to know they are much more enduring. If you can't focus on the little things that you don't know keep currency moving within a country and incompatible with foreign countries, then remember that women will see past the charades of hideouts and disguised marketing scams. At least one of you is thinking about a School, but the others just want pleasure.
>>196209lol owned
>>193235lol this guys speaks truth
Hey guys, I brought the domain projectsovereign.orgHowever i haven't been able to figure out what to do with it, so I've decided that I'll let you guys work as a team and figure it out.Here's the info if you want to modify the site:Host: projectsovereign.orgUsername: ronimacarroni2Password:PICApiedra1Just use an ftp program like "Filezilla" or whatever and type in that info, it should give you access to the server. The files that are currently there are for mediawiki, it started giving me trouble because supposedly its not compatible with vista X64 or something so I just left them there. Well anyways feel free to erase the files or modify them and whatnot.Don't be assholes and think you can get away with stealing the site though, I still have access to the main server that hosts my domains.Lets see if you guys have what it takes to work as a team.
>>194753i implore you to join the forum (the ling is in the sticky) and post all of this there. I like the idea - i like a lot of ideas but whats interesting is how you (supposedly) will follow up on it. We would need something that can attach itself to the sea floor and not fucking move. and then grow enough food to sustain ourselves and provide for all the essential vitamins and minerals.
>>194753
i implore you to join the forum (the ling is in the sticky) and post all of this there. I like the idea - i like a lot of ideas but whats interesting is how you (supposedly) will follow up on it. We would need something that can attach itself to the sea floor and not fucking move. and then grow enough food to sustain ourselves and provide for all the essential vitamins and minerals.
>>195134 Did you not notice him talking about nibiru?
Where is there a forum to join elsewhere or continue here? Minerals are all in the sea water, and with special equipment that only exists in Shadow Government we could be pulling precious metals out of seawater like silver and gold and whatnot as well as filter the over-abundance of mercury from the water. By the way, I'm not intending to attach anything to the sea floor. My ancestry goes back to the mound-builders on the plains. We will be raising the sea floor by scraping it deeper. Red-haired people existed on what natives called Turtle Island, long before the Cathaholic Chruch templars arrived around 1200's and long before the Hebrew Vikings in the Ring of Adonai/Odin tried to conquer the hybrid descendents of the Anunaki.>>195134You say that in what attitude or are you afraid of something that only sells more rice and beans? You could be all prepared, living out at sea, provided information services through a Hughesnet satellite-network system better than Iridium Satellites, experiencing all the extra-terrestrial activities around that Catalina Island Channel, but instead you want to live on land to be deprived of land patents of the BLM preventing you from raising animals and mining? Watch that rent cut everyone's bottom-line and make inflation worse.>>195164
Where is there a forum to join elsewhere or continue here? Minerals are all in the sea water, and with special equipment that only exists in Shadow Government we could be pulling precious metals out of seawater like silver and gold and whatnot as well as filter the over-abundance of mercury from the water. By the way, I'm not intending to attach anything to the sea floor. My ancestry goes back to the mound-builders on the plains. We will be raising the sea floor by scraping it deeper. Red-haired people existed on what natives called Turtle Island, long before the Cathaholic Chruch templars arrived around 1200's and long before the Hebrew Vikings in the Ring of Adonai/Odin tried to conquer the hybrid descendents of the Anunaki.>>195134
You say that in what attitude or are you afraid of something that only sells more rice and beans? You could be all prepared, living out at sea, provided information services through a Hughesnet satellite-network system better than Iridium Satellites, experiencing all the extra-terrestrial activities around that Catalina Island Channel, but instead you want to live on land to be deprived of land patents of the BLM preventing you from raising animals and mining? Watch that rent cut everyone's bottom-line and make inflation worse.>>195164
Mitsuko Island is for sale by the japanese.
They're only selling the improvements to the island, yet I don't see any so that means they are selling to buy the island out of their Samurai Insurance to make the Samurais leave alone the buyer. I'ld rather buy a land patent to a 150' stretch of ocean and raise the sea floor with scrapers moulding bricks with salt-proof glue compounds.
